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		<title>By: Christianity and Depression &#8211; Thomas Creedy&#039;s Blog</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2011/10/03/a-depressing-report-about-depression/#comment-49783</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christianity and Depression &#8211; Thomas Creedy&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2017 23:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] was actually written by Stephen&#8217;s father) &#8211; who quoted another pastor, David Murray. Murray points out that there are a huge number of misconceptions about depression in the Christian world &#8211; with [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] was actually written by Stephen&#8217;s father) &#8211; who quoted another pastor, David Murray. Murray points out that there are a huge number of misconceptions about depression in the Christian world &#8211; with [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Butler</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2011/10/03/a-depressing-report-about-depression/#comment-48644</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karen Butler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2015 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A  Depressing Report about Depression Meds:

&quot;In a major study, published yesterday in JAMA Pediatrics, the use of SSRI antidepressants during pregnancy was found to increase the risk of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) by 87-percent. Previous studies reveal that more than 13-percent of women currently use SSRI antidepressants during pregnancy. In this large population-based cohort study, maternal use of ADs during the second and/or third trimester was associated with an increased risk of ASD,” the researchers concluded. “Children exposed to SSRIs alone and those exposed to more than 1 class of ADs during the second and/or 
third trimester had the highest risk. The effect was persistent even after taking into account maternal history of depression.” http://www.madinamerica.com/2015/12/maternal-antidepressant-use-tied-to-autism/

When will the people you have influenced to take these drugs have true informed consent?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A  Depressing Report about Depression Meds:</p>
<p>&#8220;In a major study, published yesterday in JAMA Pediatrics, the use of SSRI antidepressants during pregnancy was found to increase the risk of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) by 87-percent. Previous studies reveal that more than 13-percent of women currently use SSRI antidepressants during pregnancy. In this large population-based cohort study, maternal use of ADs during the second and/or third trimester was associated with an increased risk of ASD,” the researchers concluded. “Children exposed to SSRIs alone and those exposed to more than 1 class of ADs during the second and/or<br />
third trimester had the highest risk. The effect was persistent even after taking into account maternal history of depression.” <a href="http://www.madinamerica.com/2015/12/maternal-antidepressant-use-tied-to-autism/" rel="nofollow">http://www.madinamerica.com/2015/12/maternal-antidepressant-use-tied-to-autism/</a></p>
<p>When will the people you have influenced to take these drugs have true informed consent?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Butler</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2011/10/03/a-depressing-report-about-depression/#comment-46241</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karen Butler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2014 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because you do not answer my e-mails, I do not know of any other way to contact you. I feel you should know about these things that I have published about this blogpost in particular,http://thenface2face.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/bad-physic-or-the-great-physcian-a-dialogue-on-christians-and-anti-depressives/ 



and I am also drafting a post about Thought Leaders who should apologize for minimizing the harms of anti-depresants, -- and you figure prominently in that discussion. The recent article by Scott Sauls at TGC greatly stirred me up again about this. I will give you a heads up when I publish.

Not that it matters; the confirmation bias among your population is simply breathtaking.But like the proverbial starfish thrower-back-into-the-sea, if I can save just one from a lifetime of brain damage and impotence and tics, I will be satisfied.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because you do not answer my e-mails, I do not know of any other way to contact you. I feel you should know about these things that I have published about this blogpost in particular,<a href="http://thenface2face.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/bad-physic-or-the-great-physcian-a-dialogue-on-christians-and-anti-depressives/" rel="nofollow">http://thenface2face.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/bad-physic-or-the-great-physcian-a-dialogue-on-christians-and-anti-depressives/</a> </p>
<p>and I am also drafting a post about Thought Leaders who should apologize for minimizing the harms of anti-depresants, &#8212; and you figure prominently in that discussion. The recent article by Scott Sauls at TGC greatly stirred me up again about this. I will give you a heads up when I publish.</p>
<p>Not that it matters; the confirmation bias among your population is simply breathtaking.But like the proverbial starfish thrower-back-into-the-sea, if I can save just one from a lifetime of brain damage and impotence and tics, I will be satisfied.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad &#8220;Physic&#8221;&#8211;or the Great Physcian? A Dialogue on Christians and Anti-Depressives &#124; Now...Through A Glass Darkly</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2011/10/03/a-depressing-report-about-depression/#comment-46229</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bad &#8220;Physic&#8221;&#8211;or the Great Physcian? A Dialogue on Christians and Anti-Depressives &#124; Now...Through A Glass Darkly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2014 17:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] wrote these as comments on David Murray&#8217;s blog Head/Hand/Heart in response to his  lament that so many Christians were reluctant to seek treatment for depression, fearing that they would be sent home with a prescription.  I tried to help him [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] wrote these as comments on David Murray&#8217;s blog Head/Hand/Heart in response to his  lament that so many Christians were reluctant to seek treatment for depression, fearing that they would be sent home with a prescription.  I tried to help him [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Heath Lambert and The Rabbits Pulled From Hats, i.e. &#8220;Psychiatric Diagnoses&#8221; &#124; Now...Through A Glass Darkly</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2011/10/03/a-depressing-report-about-depression/#comment-45414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heath Lambert and The Rabbits Pulled From Hats, i.e. &#8220;Psychiatric Diagnoses&#8221; &#124; Now...Through A Glass Darkly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2014 23:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] his book, &#8220;Christians Get Depressed, Too.&#8221; Yes, I certainly did get a downer when I saw that tired canard being trotted out again by a Thought Leader on this subject of mood disorders. Who should have known better. Psychiatrists have known that the [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] his book, &#8220;Christians Get Depressed, Too.&#8221; Yes, I certainly did get a downer when I saw that tired canard being trotted out again by a Thought Leader on this subject of mood disorders. Who should have known better. Psychiatrists have known that the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Butler</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2011/10/03/a-depressing-report-about-depression/#comment-3916</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karen Butler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan,

I am so sorry if I offended you by the use of &#039;soul-deadening&#039;.  And I am so sorry for your suffering.  When I reprinted these and other comments on my own blog, I edited it to read
&quot;life-sucking&quot; --is that better? Because that&#039;s sort of what happened to my Mother.  She disappeared on the psychoactives, that brilliant, creative woman who graduated from Cal with a degree in Chemistry with such hopes for the future.  

And really, why I singled out Tegretol for special attention I have no idea.  I think it was the last one she tried.  I could have just as easily pointed out the same effects for Abillify, Seroquel, klonodine, Depakote --all of whose effects  I have been an intimate  witness for most of my adult life.  And not just in my mother, but also in others dear to me.  

These drugs were not just lifesucking and exhausting, but disfiguring and crippling, like the tardive dyskinesia -- charming Tourettes like involuntary tics.  Which were treated with other drugs of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan,</p>
<p>I am so sorry if I offended you by the use of &#8216;soul-deadening&#8217;.  And I am so sorry for your suffering.  When I reprinted these and other comments on my own blog, I edited it to read<br />
&#8220;life-sucking&#8221; &#8211;is that better? Because that&#8217;s sort of what happened to my Mother.  She disappeared on the psychoactives, that brilliant, creative woman who graduated from Cal with a degree in Chemistry with such hopes for the future.  </p>
<p>And really, why I singled out Tegretol for special attention I have no idea.  I think it was the last one she tried.  I could have just as easily pointed out the same effects for Abillify, Seroquel, klonodine, Depakote &#8211;all of whose effects  I have been an intimate  witness for most of my adult life.  And not just in my mother, but also in others dear to me.  </p>
<p>These drugs were not just lifesucking and exhausting, but disfiguring and crippling, like the tardive dyskinesia &#8212; charming Tourettes like involuntary tics.  Which were treated with other drugs of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie E.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debbie E.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rob, that&#039;s a pretty simplistic overview of people with depression. Have you been on antidepressants? I have for years and have had no &quot;very nasty side-effect [sic]&quot;. A good physician will work with a patient to find the right medicine for each person. It&#039;s not a cut-and-dried formula. I&#039;d like to see links to these &quot;lots of studies&quot; that say placebos are as effective as medication. It seems to me that you view depression through your Reformed lens and through your apparent devotion to &quot;whole foods&quot; and walking at a &quot;vigorous pace.&quot; Unless you have walked down the dark road of depression, you cannot understand it. You, my friend, are part of the problem in the church when dealing with depression. You have no idea what you are talking about and it saddens me that you pastor any church - I feel for your congregants who suffer from depression since they will get no real help from you. You are naive and misguided.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, that&#8217;s a pretty simplistic overview of people with depression. Have you been on antidepressants? I have for years and have had no &#8220;very nasty side-effect [sic]&#8220;. A good physician will work with a patient to find the right medicine for each person. It&#8217;s not a cut-and-dried formula. I&#8217;d like to see links to these &#8220;lots of studies&#8221; that say placebos are as effective as medication. It seems to me that you view depression through your Reformed lens and through your apparent devotion to &#8220;whole foods&#8221; and walking at a &#8220;vigorous pace.&#8221; Unless you have walked down the dark road of depression, you cannot understand it. You, my friend, are part of the problem in the church when dealing with depression. You have no idea what you are talking about and it saddens me that you pastor any church &#8211; I feel for your congregants who suffer from depression since they will get no real help from you. You are naive and misguided.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan in SF</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2011/10/03/a-depressing-report-about-depression/#comment-3879</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan in SF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 05:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Karen, I am sorry to hear of your mom&#039;s experiences. That said, I have to live on Carbamazepine for now at least, in my case it is used for Trigeminal Neuralgia. It is a hard drug to be on physically
but it does work for my facial pain that was unbearable. As a child of King Jesus, I&#039;d rather not hear other&#039;s refer to it as &quot;soul-deadening&quot; thanks...(-: Exhausting, fatiguing etc it may be, but it has no power over my soul!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen, I am sorry to hear of your mom&#8217;s experiences. That said, I have to live on Carbamazepine for now at least, in my case it is used for Trigeminal Neuralgia. It is a hard drug to be on physically<br />
but it does work for my facial pain that was unbearable. As a child of King Jesus, I&#8217;d rather not hear other&#8217;s refer to it as &#8220;soul-deadening&#8221; thanks&#8230;(-: Exhausting, fatiguing etc it may be, but it has no power over my soul!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2011/10/03/a-depressing-report-about-depression/#comment-3878</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 04:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very interesting article partially relating to this discussion, David, is an article by Tim Challies regarding &quot;spiritual abuse&quot;. Now I am certainly not accusing Rob of this at all. But I think that certain approaches to depression by certain pastors can become spiritual abuse - this is the link here http://www.challies.com/articles/spiritual-abuse. Rob, please understand this is NOT directed at you at all, this is a general comment about something I have seen happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting article partially relating to this discussion, David, is an article by Tim Challies regarding &#8220;spiritual abuse&#8221;. Now I am certainly not accusing Rob of this at all. But I think that certain approaches to depression by certain pastors can become spiritual abuse &#8211; this is the link here <a href="http://www.challies.com/articles/spiritual-abuse" rel="nofollow">http://www.challies.com/articles/spiritual-abuse</a>. Rob, please understand this is NOT directed at you at all, this is a general comment about something I have seen happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 23:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim, the basics of how the most popular anti-depressants are thought to work can be found at Wikipedia (look at Mechanism of Action): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSRI]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, the basics of how the most popular anti-depressants are thought to work can be found at Wikipedia (look at Mechanism of Action): <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSRI" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSRI</a></p>
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