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		<title>By: David Murray &#62; Pastors and Social Media: Be Sociable &#124; Innovate For Jesus &#124; Grow the Church</title>
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		<title>By: David Murray</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2012/12/06/ministry-miseries-or-pastoral-pleasure/#comment-12025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Murray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear brother Paul,

I deliberately did not name anyone in my post or link to any blog posts. However, I can understand why you think that the blog post was partly about yourself. 

I&#039;m very glad to read of your joy in ministry. I suppose it&#039;s part of the pain of ministry to be misunderstood. However, whenever I&#039;ve been misunderstood, my first response is to thoroughly examine not what I think I&#039;ve communicated but how people have perceived it. I think any objective reader of your recent posts and writing would conclude that you&#039;ve had an imbalanced emphasis on the negative and the discouraging. May I humbly suggest that perhaps you could use my critique to re-balance your message so that what is read in public more accurately reflects your private and ministry joys.

When we put words in the public sphere, I think it&#039;s fairly common practice to assume that people will make conclusions based on what they read, and sometimes make a public response. I am worried about the image of ministry that you are portraying at times, and also the impact on pastors.

BTW, I use many of your wonderful counseling resources in both the Seminary and in local church ministry, and appreciate them very much.

David.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear brother Paul,</p>
<p>I deliberately did not name anyone in my post or link to any blog posts. However, I can understand why you think that the blog post was partly about yourself. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very glad to read of your joy in ministry. I suppose it&#8217;s part of the pain of ministry to be misunderstood. However, whenever I&#8217;ve been misunderstood, my first response is to thoroughly examine not what I think I&#8217;ve communicated but how people have perceived it. I think any objective reader of your recent posts and writing would conclude that you&#8217;ve had an imbalanced emphasis on the negative and the discouraging. May I humbly suggest that perhaps you could use my critique to re-balance your message so that what is read in public more accurately reflects your private and ministry joys.</p>
<p>When we put words in the public sphere, I think it&#8217;s fairly common practice to assume that people will make conclusions based on what they read, and sometimes make a public response. I am worried about the image of ministry that you are portraying at times, and also the impact on pastors.</p>
<p>BTW, I use many of your wonderful counseling resources in both the Seminary and in local church ministry, and appreciate them very much.</p>
<p>David.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Tripp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Tripp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David, I am taking it for granted that I am one of the guys you&#039;re writing about. If so, let me humbly suggest two things. First, you don&#039;t know me. If you had interviewed me you would know what a wonderful joy and constant blessing ministry has been to me. I do not live and minister in misery, but with a worshipful smile on my face because of the combination of daily grace and the honor of being called to be an ambassador of the King.  Second, you have misunderstood what I have written. My point is not that ministry is a miserable burden, because there has never been a time in my ministry when I have felt that, but that as we are basking in the pleasures of service of the Savior ( and I think we should) we must as well remember the presence and power of remaining sin. I don&#039;t feel depressed, discouraged or de- motivated because I celebrate the sufficient grace of an ever-present Savior. Could I be so bold as to suggest that before you write the next blog of this type you engage a representative of the group you are confronting in personal conversation? If you had done that with me, you would have experienced us agreeing more than we disagree about the experience of ministry and celebrating the very joys that I think you think I&#039;ve missed. Blessings on your ministry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I am taking it for granted that I am one of the guys you&#8217;re writing about. If so, let me humbly suggest two things. First, you don&#8217;t know me. If you had interviewed me you would know what a wonderful joy and constant blessing ministry has been to me. I do not live and minister in misery, but with a worshipful smile on my face because of the combination of daily grace and the honor of being called to be an ambassador of the King.  Second, you have misunderstood what I have written. My point is not that ministry is a miserable burden, because there has never been a time in my ministry when I have felt that, but that as we are basking in the pleasures of service of the Savior ( and I think we should) we must as well remember the presence and power of remaining sin. I don&#8217;t feel depressed, discouraged or de- motivated because I celebrate the sufficient grace of an ever-present Savior. Could I be so bold as to suggest that before you write the next blog of this type you engage a representative of the group you are confronting in personal conversation? If you had done that with me, you would have experienced us agreeing more than we disagree about the experience of ministry and celebrating the very joys that I think you think I&#8217;ve missed. Blessings on your ministry.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2012/12/06/ministry-miseries-or-pastoral-pleasure/#comment-11561</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 00:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a very content minister, I appreciate this post very much. Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a very content minister, I appreciate this post very much. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: dick</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2012/12/06/ministry-miseries-or-pastoral-pleasure/#comment-11545</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 14:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bravo!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Bankson</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2012/12/06/ministry-miseries-or-pastoral-pleasure/#comment-11541</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Bankson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 12:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, David.  That&#039;s a refreshing take.  I&#039;ve also grown weary of hearing pastors say to those considering ministry &quot;If you can see yourself doing ANYTHING else, then you should do it.&quot;  We (pastors) need this kind of pep talk that ministry is a joyful privilege.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, David.  That&#8217;s a refreshing take.  I&#8217;ve also grown weary of hearing pastors say to those considering ministry &#8220;If you can see yourself doing ANYTHING else, then you should do it.&#8221;  We (pastors) need this kind of pep talk that ministry is a joyful privilege.</p>
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