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		<title>By: This and That &#8211; 11-23-13 &#124; The Thompsonian Times</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2013/11/19/christcare-vs-obamacare/#comment-33028</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[This and That &#8211; 11-23-13 &#124; The Thompsonian Times]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Nov 2013 17:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Christcare vs. Obamacare &#8211; 3. Reality: We cannot all get access to every medical treatment. Just because a drug is available does not mean its affordable. Just because something can be done does not mean it should be done. We need to recognize that we are mortal, that we are not going to live forever, and we must also learn to live with some measure of pain and discomfort at times. Otherwise, we could easily spend every last cent on medical treatment. ChristCare would propose realistic basic levels of care for different ages and illnesses. &#8211; David Murray [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Christcare vs. Obamacare &#8211; 3. Reality: We cannot all get access to every medical treatment. Just because a drug is available does not mean its affordable. Just because something can be done does not mean it should be done. We need to recognize that we are mortal, that we are not going to live forever, and we must also learn to live with some measure of pain and discomfort at times. Otherwise, we could easily spend every last cent on medical treatment. ChristCare would propose realistic basic levels of care for different ages and illnesses. &#8211; David Murray [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Mackay</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2013/11/19/christcare-vs-obamacare/#comment-32890</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald Mackay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[5. Morality: ChristCare would not fund birth control or abortion. It would also reduce expenditure on diseases that have been brought on by sexual immorality, drug abuse, and other sinful choices.

The first question that came to mind on reading this is did Christ modify His healing ministry according to the sinful consequence of the disease presented to Him? I don&#039;t know the answer but it seems key to the principle.

Also, as a Scot, whose own nation has plenty health problems caused by sinful choices, how are these sins that qualify for reduced expenditure to be qualified. It&#039;s easy to focus on the headline sins of sexual immorality or drug addiction, but for instance, would gluttony leading to heart disease be included, or smoking leading to lung cancer? Reducing expenditure due to sinful choices necessarily leads to a gradation of these sinful choices and a decision as to which sinful choices should be covered and which not covered. Do we have the right to make these judgements? Does every sinful choice negate the policy?

I am wondering if the justice system is not the better place to penalise sinful choices and to leave healthcare to mercifully treat the consequences? These are questions. It&#039;s not a issue I had considered before. They are not questions we often face over here with our NHS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5. Morality: ChristCare would not fund birth control or abortion. It would also reduce expenditure on diseases that have been brought on by sexual immorality, drug abuse, and other sinful choices.</p>
<p>The first question that came to mind on reading this is did Christ modify His healing ministry according to the sinful consequence of the disease presented to Him? I don&#8217;t know the answer but it seems key to the principle.</p>
<p>Also, as a Scot, whose own nation has plenty health problems caused by sinful choices, how are these sins that qualify for reduced expenditure to be qualified. It&#8217;s easy to focus on the headline sins of sexual immorality or drug addiction, but for instance, would gluttony leading to heart disease be included, or smoking leading to lung cancer? Reducing expenditure due to sinful choices necessarily leads to a gradation of these sinful choices and a decision as to which sinful choices should be covered and which not covered. Do we have the right to make these judgements? Does every sinful choice negate the policy?</p>
<p>I am wondering if the justice system is not the better place to penalise sinful choices and to leave healthcare to mercifully treat the consequences? These are questions. It&#8217;s not a issue I had considered before. They are not questions we often face over here with our NHS.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2013/11/19/christcare-vs-obamacare/#comment-32721</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Murray, I found this very helpful and stimulating. Thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Murray, I found this very helpful and stimulating. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kessler</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2013/11/19/christcare-vs-obamacare/#comment-32720</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Kessler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This probably fits under #2 above. Americans understand the difference between catastrophe and maintenance with their houses and cars. We don&#039;t call the insurance company when we change wiper blades or furnace filters. We could use some of the same understanding on medical issues. Parents with some kids are going to have cases of strep throat or a simple cut needing a few stitches. Save the insurance for when a kid gets leukemia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This probably fits under #2 above. Americans understand the difference between catastrophe and maintenance with their houses and cars. We don&#8217;t call the insurance company when we change wiper blades or furnace filters. We could use some of the same understanding on medical issues. Parents with some kids are going to have cases of strep throat or a simple cut needing a few stitches. Save the insurance for when a kid gets leukemia.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kessler</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2013/11/19/christcare-vs-obamacare/#comment-32718</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Kessler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps this fits under one of your proposals, but one of the simplest things to do would be to remove regulations prohibiting health insurance companies from competing across state lines.  Why shouldn&#039;t health insurance be allowed to compete on a national stage like auto insurance. Competition wouldn&#039;t solve every problem in health care, but it would go a long way towards lowering costs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this fits under one of your proposals, but one of the simplest things to do would be to remove regulations prohibiting health insurance companies from competing across state lines.  Why shouldn&#8217;t health insurance be allowed to compete on a national stage like auto insurance. Competition wouldn&#8217;t solve every problem in health care, but it would go a long way towards lowering costs.</p>
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		<title>By: ChristCare Vs Obamacare</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ChristCare Vs Obamacare]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 05:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] is Professor of Old Testament &amp; Practical Theology at Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary. This article  first appeared on his blog, Head Heart hand, and is used with [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		<title>By: St. Steve of Northern Lights</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[St. Steve of Northern Lights]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2013 00:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pastor Murray, I found your first blog posting on the Mandated Healthcare, and the opportunities for the church to serve because of it, refreshing! Since then I have continued to follow your thoughts! 

Would you be willing to address any issues related to church deaconal works etc, as the Lord allows you time and thought? I was desirous to ask you before this whole national health rig-a-ma-rol, but it seems like a good time to throw in the request! I know you have studied Edwards, and there may be others, who have thoughts on church deaconal ministries, but as the Lord provides you insight or a burden for discussing that section of church ministry, please feel free to share! 
You or your wife may enjoy the author Atul Gawande, a doctor who has a chapter in his book &quot;Better&quot; about the topic of medical liability, etc. He is easy to read and covers some interesting topics as a surgeon. He is also gifted as a writer too! 
Preach, Teach, Write, and Minister on... Brother! Thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pastor Murray, I found your first blog posting on the Mandated Healthcare, and the opportunities for the church to serve because of it, refreshing! Since then I have continued to follow your thoughts! </p>
<p>Would you be willing to address any issues related to church deaconal works etc, as the Lord allows you time and thought? I was desirous to ask you before this whole national health rig-a-ma-rol, but it seems like a good time to throw in the request! I know you have studied Edwards, and there may be others, who have thoughts on church deaconal ministries, but as the Lord provides you insight or a burden for discussing that section of church ministry, please feel free to share!<br />
You or your wife may enjoy the author Atul Gawande, a doctor who has a chapter in his book &#8220;Better&#8221; about the topic of medical liability, etc. He is easy to read and covers some interesting topics as a surgeon. He is also gifted as a writer too!<br />
Preach, Teach, Write, and Minister on&#8230; Brother! Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Halloran</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2013/11/19/christcare-vs-obamacare/#comment-32347</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Halloran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post, David. On point with every thought. Healthcare/insurance matters are complicated and expensive...and only getting worse. Even in complicated and uncertain times, Christians can act on these principles and shine the light of Christ. 

Thanks for sharing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, David. On point with every thought. Healthcare/insurance matters are complicated and expensive&#8230;and only getting worse. Even in complicated and uncertain times, Christians can act on these principles and shine the light of Christ. </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing!</p>
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