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	<title>Comments on: Where is Biblical Counseling&#8217;s Ken Ham?</title>
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		<title>By: approvedmoneychangers</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/07/where-is-biblical-counselings-ken-ham/#comment-49325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[approvedmoneychangers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2016 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I realize that the purpose of this post is good and the point is an important one, I&#039;m somewhat disturbed by the example that is used.  Couldn&#039;t someone else be found for modeling a biblical handling of a complex secular field?!  Ken Ham is simply not an example to follow.  What looks like an in-depth knowledge of the field of biology to a non-biologist looks more like a profound series of misrepresentations and misunderstandings to a biologist.  He stretches and cherry picks data to fit preconceptions in a way that is not the least bit consistent with intellectual integrity.  His background is as a high school teacher, not a scientist.  His writings tend to be leagues from what you will find in scientific journals and surprisingly close to what you will find in a propaganda pamphlet.  I&#039;m not sure that I should go on since I don&#039;t want to take away from your main point, but on all counts, Ken Ham is not the model for what you really want to introduce in your field, and there is a good reason why he is dismissed as a serious contributor to the science religion debate, let alone the field of science, by virtually all scientists and most theologians.  Do Biblical counseling a service by looking as far as possible from Ham for finding someone who models a biblical approach.  I&#039;m a little amazed that no one else here has noticed this glaring problem, but this is maybe normal when most visitors here are probably not too familiar with the field that Ham is supposedly addressing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I realize that the purpose of this post is good and the point is an important one, I&#8217;m somewhat disturbed by the example that is used.  Couldn&#8217;t someone else be found for modeling a biblical handling of a complex secular field?!  Ken Ham is simply not an example to follow.  What looks like an in-depth knowledge of the field of biology to a non-biologist looks more like a profound series of misrepresentations and misunderstandings to a biologist.  He stretches and cherry picks data to fit preconceptions in a way that is not the least bit consistent with intellectual integrity.  His background is as a high school teacher, not a scientist.  His writings tend to be leagues from what you will find in scientific journals and surprisingly close to what you will find in a propaganda pamphlet.  I&#8217;m not sure that I should go on since I don&#8217;t want to take away from your main point, but on all counts, Ken Ham is not the model for what you really want to introduce in your field, and there is a good reason why he is dismissed as a serious contributor to the science religion debate, let alone the field of science, by virtually all scientists and most theologians.  Do Biblical counseling a service by looking as far as possible from Ham for finding someone who models a biblical approach.  I&#8217;m a little amazed that no one else here has noticed this glaring problem, but this is maybe normal when most visitors here are probably not too familiar with the field that Ham is supposedly addressing.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Simonyi-Gindele, MAMFT</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/07/where-is-biblical-counselings-ken-ham/#comment-45841</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caleb Simonyi-Gindele, MAMFT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2014 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi David, I just wanted to reach out because I&#039;ve been thinking a lot about your call for an integrated approach since reading this a few months ago. 

I think there are a lot of people trying to do what you are asking, but in different ways and in varying degrees. I studied at Trinity Western University (Langley, BC) and we were constantly challenged to evaluate and integrate the research we presented in our papers. 

For the last 5 months my wife and I have been working on a website and podcast that hope to do this for married couples. We&#039;re trying to help millennials build thriving, passionate marriages by offering an blend of ancient wisdom (Scripture) and modern research. Our podcast can be found here on iTunes: http://bit.ly/1jxl0ZI



If you had any feedback on how we&#039;re doing at our task we&#039;d love to hear it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David, I just wanted to reach out because I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about your call for an integrated approach since reading this a few months ago. </p>
<p>I think there are a lot of people trying to do what you are asking, but in different ways and in varying degrees. I studied at Trinity Western University (Langley, BC) and we were constantly challenged to evaluate and integrate the research we presented in our papers. </p>
<p>For the last 5 months my wife and I have been working on a website and podcast that hope to do this for married couples. We&#8217;re trying to help millennials build thriving, passionate marriages by offering an blend of ancient wisdom (Scripture) and modern research. Our podcast can be found here on iTunes: <a href="http://bit.ly/1jxl0ZI" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1jxl0ZI</a></p>
<p>If you had any feedback on how we&#8217;re doing at our task we&#8217;d love to hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Roundup: 7 February 2014 &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Daily Roundup: 7 February 2014 &#124;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2014 22:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Where is Biblical Counseling&#8217;s Ken Ham? &#8211; Using the recent Ken Ham vs. Bill Nye debate, David Murray notes biblical counselors are accused of the same things as biblical creationists, that of rejecting science in their appeal to Scripture as the foundation of truth and their worldview. [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Where is Biblical Counseling&#8217;s Ken Ham? &#8211; Using the recent Ken Ham vs. Bill Nye debate, David Murray notes biblical counselors are accused of the same things as biblical creationists, that of rejecting science in their appeal to Scripture as the foundation of truth and their worldview. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Counseling and Psychology &#124; Ad Fontes</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/07/where-is-biblical-counselings-ken-ham/#comment-44839</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Counseling and Psychology &#124; Ad Fontes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Murray posed the question of &#8220;Where is Biblical Counseling&#8217;s Ken Ham?&#8221; Ironically, at first glance I [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Murray posed the question of &#8220;Where is Biblical Counseling&#8217;s Ken Ham?&#8221; Ironically, at first glance I [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Where is Biblical Counseling&#8217;s Ken Ham? &#124; Ad Fontes</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/07/where-is-biblical-counselings-ken-ham/#comment-44838</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Where is Biblical Counseling&#8217;s Ken Ham? &#124; Ad Fontes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Murray posed the question of &#8220;Where is Biblical Counseling&#8217;s Ken Ham?&#8221; Ironically, at first glance I [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Murray posed the question of &#8220;Where is Biblical Counseling&#8217;s Ken Ham?&#8221; Ironically, at first glance I [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Schreiner</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/07/where-is-biblical-counselings-ken-ham/#comment-44835</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Schreiner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 19:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric Johnson is. He is well versed in both fields.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Johnson is. He is well versed in both fields.</p>
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		<title>By: Healing Hope</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/07/where-is-biblical-counselings-ken-ham/#comment-44762</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Healing Hope]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 22:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My article mentioned metabolic and pathological causes for depression but these are limited to the body. My definition of etiology was much broader, extending to causes from a spiritual, psychological, social, and demonic nature. Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My article mentioned metabolic and pathological causes for depression but these are limited to the body. My definition of etiology was much broader, extending to causes from a spiritual, psychological, social, and demonic nature. Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Hodges</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/07/where-is-biblical-counselings-ken-ham/#comment-44734</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Hodges]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Etiology makes all the difference in the world. It is the difference between cushings disorder with a depressed mood, and major depression with no apparent cause. It is the difference between generalized anxiety disorder and hyperthyoroidsim with an anxious mood. If you understand pathology you generally understand the cause. Then the cure sometimes follows. Charles Hodges]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Etiology makes all the difference in the world. It is the difference between cushings disorder with a depressed mood, and major depression with no apparent cause. It is the difference between generalized anxiety disorder and hyperthyoroidsim with an anxious mood. If you understand pathology you generally understand the cause. Then the cure sometimes follows. Charles Hodges</p>
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		<title>By: Healing Hope</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/07/where-is-biblical-counselings-ken-ham/#comment-44724</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Healing Hope]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does Etiology Really Matter with Depression?
http://veritaemedicinae.blogspot.com/2014/02/does-etiology-really-matter-with.html

Wondering what you all think.

Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Etiology Really Matter with Depression?<br />
<a href="http://veritaemedicinae.blogspot.com/2014/02/does-etiology-really-matter-with.html" rel="nofollow">http://veritaemedicinae.blogspot.com/2014/02/does-etiology-really-matter-with.html</a></p>
<p>Wondering what you all think.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: David Murray</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/07/where-is-biblical-counselings-ken-ham/#comment-44594</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Murray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2014 04:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just quickly Charles. I&#039;m off to bed and I&#039;ll try to return to this on Monday. I believe it would be more accurate to say &quot;SOME secular research.&quot; I&#039;ve read &quot;The Loss of Sadness&quot; and agree with some of its analysis. 

However, I seriously question if the 90% figure applies within the Christian community. It certainly does not within the communities I&#039;ve worked among. 

Looking forward to reading your blog and learning from you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just quickly Charles. I&#8217;m off to bed and I&#8217;ll try to return to this on Monday. I believe it would be more accurate to say &#8220;SOME secular research.&#8221; I&#8217;ve read &#8220;The Loss of Sadness&#8221; and agree with some of its analysis. </p>
<p>However, I seriously question if the 90% figure applies within the Christian community. It certainly does not within the communities I&#8217;ve worked among. </p>
<p>Looking forward to reading your blog and learning from you.</p>
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