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	<description> Informing Minds. Moving Hearts. Directing Hands.</description>
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		<title>By: David Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Murray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m reminded of this quote: &quot;Pertness and ignorance may ask a question in three lines which it will cost learning and ingenuity thirty pages to answer; and when this is done, the same question shall be triumphantly asked again next year, as if nothing had ever been written on the subject.”— Bishop Horne in Alleged Discrepencies of the Bible, by John Haley p. 26.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of this quote: &#8220;Pertness and ignorance may ask a question in three lines which it will cost learning and ingenuity thirty pages to answer; and when this is done, the same question shall be triumphantly asked again next year, as if nothing had ever been written on the subject.”— Bishop Horne in Alleged Discrepencies of the Bible, by John Haley p. 26.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan martinez</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/13/when-friends-disagree/#comment-45200</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonathan martinez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2014 04:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This whole holistic approach is really a &quot; try everyrhing and see what sticks&quot;  there are thousands of therapies that come out each year and none a reproducible in all humans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole holistic approach is really a &#8221; try everyrhing and see what sticks&#8221;  there are thousands of therapies that come out each year and none a reproducible in all humans.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan martinez</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/13/when-friends-disagree/#comment-45199</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2014 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prof Murray. ONE QUESTION. If you are treating psychology as a science. Can you please mention which natural laws are employed or have arisen because of psychology.  Thx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof Murray. ONE QUESTION. If you are treating psychology as a science. Can you please mention which natural laws are employed or have arisen because of psychology.  Thx</p>
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		<title>By: Can I Be a Biblical Counselor without Being a Part of the Biblical Counseling Movement? &#124; Biblical Counseling Coalition Blogs</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/13/when-friends-disagree/#comment-45185</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can I Be a Biblical Counselor without Being a Part of the Biblical Counseling Movement? &#124; Biblical Counseling Coalition Blogs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] public conversation involving David Murray, myself, and other friends, David recently wrote about When Friends Disagree. In this post he [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] public conversation involving David Murray, myself, and other friends, David recently wrote about When Friends Disagree. In this post he [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Hodges MD</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/13/when-friends-disagree/#comment-45128</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Hodges MD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Feb 2014 01:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David, 
Friends? Yes! Brothers for certain! Can anyone be a Biblical Counselor without being a part of the Biblical Counseling Movement? I suppose that it just as likely as someone being a Christian without being a Baptist or a Methodist or a Presbyterian.  

When I started this counseling journey I suspect that I was probably right in the middle of the road. I was certainly not in the Biblical Counseling movement, but I was not happy with the outcomes that I was seeing with a counseling format that attempted to merge the “best of” secular psychology, medical treatment and my view of Christian counseling. It is interesting to me that you say that the results you have seen with CBT have in part led you to the position that you hold. 

My experience was in the opposite direction. After about 10 years of doing my best to integrate medicine, secular counseling, and the Bible, I was introduced to better outcomes with Biblical counseling. My brother had taken training and came back pastoring and counseling in a remarkably different way. That led me to go for the same training.

When I teach Biblical counseling, I tell students that good people do disagree about where to draw the line between medical and spiritual issues. And, I tell them that when we do disagree, we need to be gracious when we speak about things that fall in the Romans 14 arena. But, there are some things that fall outside of that arena for anyone who would identify him or herself as a Biblical counselor. I am glad that you say that having read the BCC documents that you agree with them 100%. That is a good place to start. 

I do not want to turn this comment into a comprehensive statement about what I believe makes a Biblical counselor biblical. So I will note one thing and quit. It is a quote that I read from R.C. Sproul. “&quot;It is your duty to believe and to teach what the Bible teaches, not what you want it to teach.&quot;
 For me that means that I am not at liberty to agree with a secular concept that is identified as scientific when it disagrees with scripture. As I tell students, I will never call anything a disease that the Bible calls a sin. At the same time, I also tell them that I will never call anything sin unless the Bible specifically does. I will not attempt to enforce my personal preferences on people with the weight of scripture. 
I think that is a good place to start for anyone who wants to identify themselves as a Biblical counselor. 

Charles Hodges goodmoodbadmood.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
Friends? Yes! Brothers for certain! Can anyone be a Biblical Counselor without being a part of the Biblical Counseling Movement? I suppose that it just as likely as someone being a Christian without being a Baptist or a Methodist or a Presbyterian.  </p>
<p>When I started this counseling journey I suspect that I was probably right in the middle of the road. I was certainly not in the Biblical Counseling movement, but I was not happy with the outcomes that I was seeing with a counseling format that attempted to merge the “best of” secular psychology, medical treatment and my view of Christian counseling. It is interesting to me that you say that the results you have seen with CBT have in part led you to the position that you hold. </p>
<p>My experience was in the opposite direction. After about 10 years of doing my best to integrate medicine, secular counseling, and the Bible, I was introduced to better outcomes with Biblical counseling. My brother had taken training and came back pastoring and counseling in a remarkably different way. That led me to go for the same training.</p>
<p>When I teach Biblical counseling, I tell students that good people do disagree about where to draw the line between medical and spiritual issues. And, I tell them that when we do disagree, we need to be gracious when we speak about things that fall in the Romans 14 arena. But, there are some things that fall outside of that arena for anyone who would identify him or herself as a Biblical counselor. I am glad that you say that having read the BCC documents that you agree with them 100%. That is a good place to start. </p>
<p>I do not want to turn this comment into a comprehensive statement about what I believe makes a Biblical counselor biblical. So I will note one thing and quit. It is a quote that I read from R.C. Sproul. “&#8221;It is your duty to believe and to teach what the Bible teaches, not what you want it to teach.&#8221;<br />
 For me that means that I am not at liberty to agree with a secular concept that is identified as scientific when it disagrees with scripture. As I tell students, I will never call anything a disease that the Bible calls a sin. At the same time, I also tell them that I will never call anything sin unless the Bible specifically does. I will not attempt to enforce my personal preferences on people with the weight of scripture.<br />
I think that is a good place to start for anyone who wants to identify themselves as a Biblical counselor. </p>
<p>Charles Hodges goodmoodbadmood.com</p>
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		<title>By: Can I Be a Biblical Counselors without Being a Part of the Biblical Counseling Movement?</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/13/when-friends-disagree/#comment-45004</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] an ongoing public conversation involving David Murray, myself, and other friends, David recently shared, “I hope I can be a Biblical Counselor without being part of the Biblical Counseling [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] an ongoing public conversation involving David Murray, myself, and other friends, David recently shared, “I hope I can be a Biblical Counselor without being part of the Biblical Counseling [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Kellemen</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/13/when-friends-disagree/#comment-44989</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Kellemen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Feb 2014 01:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David,

One of the many aspects of our friendship that I appreciate, is the ability to carry on our friendship respectfully in public. I&#039;ve had many people who disagree with both of us say, &quot;I wish more people could dialogue with the mutual respect that you and David communicate in public.&quot; I know I have not done so perfectly, but I&#039;m pleased to think that we are, by God&#039;s grace, modeling robust, nuanced thinking about vital issues of growth in Christ, in a way that honors Christ.

Another aspect of our friendship that I appreciate--your posts always stimulate my thinking. You uncover core issues to discuss...then I hope on board! Thanks for being a deep thinker who challenges my thinking--as iron sharpens iron.

In Christ&#039;s Grace,

Bob]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>One of the many aspects of our friendship that I appreciate, is the ability to carry on our friendship respectfully in public. I&#8217;ve had many people who disagree with both of us say, &#8220;I wish more people could dialogue with the mutual respect that you and David communicate in public.&#8221; I know I have not done so perfectly, but I&#8217;m pleased to think that we are, by God&#8217;s grace, modeling robust, nuanced thinking about vital issues of growth in Christ, in a way that honors Christ.</p>
<p>Another aspect of our friendship that I appreciate&#8211;your posts always stimulate my thinking. You uncover core issues to discuss&#8230;then I hope on board! Thanks for being a deep thinker who challenges my thinking&#8211;as iron sharpens iron.</p>
<p>In Christ&#8217;s Grace,</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Heath Lambert</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/13/when-friends-disagree/#comment-44959</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heath Lambert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your thoughts here, David.  I think they are helpful and fair.

Heath.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughts here, David.  I think they are helpful and fair.</p>
<p>Heath.</p>
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		<title>By: Healing Hope</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2014/02/13/when-friends-disagree/#comment-44957</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Healing Hope]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David,

Well written. 

My experience has been one of learning from gracious brothers. I hope the dialogue continues.

Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Well written. </p>
<p>My experience has been one of learning from gracious brothers. I hope the dialogue continues.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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