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	<title>Comments on: Biblical Counseling and a Theology of Scripture (2)</title>
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	<description> Informing Minds. Moving Hearts. Directing Hands.</description>
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		<title>By: David Murray</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/07/biblical-counseling-and-a-theology-of-scripture-2/#comment-49107</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2016 21:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You put it very well, Joshua. Thanks for thinking this through with me. Your own son&#039;s example is helpful too. Appreciate very much your clarity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You put it very well, Joshua. Thanks for thinking this through with me. Your own son&#8217;s example is helpful too. Appreciate very much your clarity.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Waulk</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2016 11:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right, most medical doctors would refer autistic children and those w/developmental delays for psychological help, but that&#039;s largely because the pathologies aren&#039;t well understood and so there is insufficient medical help to be applied (but the belief is, and I think correctly, that both are very tightly connected to a true disorder of the brain&#039;s function). As a biblical counselor, where autism and/or developmental delays are the diagnosis, I would certainly not attribute the child&#039;s/person&#039;s difficulties to a rebellious heart.

Personally, I would refer the family to a specialist trained in techniques (techniques that I would also suggest are not at all at odds w/Scripture) that have been shown helpful for the one who is struggling. I may very well have a role to play in helping families in such cases, but the techniques for specific issues related to autism and developmental delays simply aren&#039;t my lane and I&#039;m fine with that. 

(I&#039;m also thinking of occupational therapy, which my own son required when he was very young. In his case, we trusted in the sovereignty of God over all of his life, and thanked Him for the physical help he received. As his motor skill delays were improved, the emotions/frustrations of his heart were relieved. I don&#039;t think that any of that, in any way, undermined what I believe to be true when I hear the phrase &quot;sufficiency of Scripture.&quot;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, most medical doctors would refer autistic children and those w/developmental delays for psychological help, but that&#8217;s largely because the pathologies aren&#8217;t well understood and so there is insufficient medical help to be applied (but the belief is, and I think correctly, that both are very tightly connected to a true disorder of the brain&#8217;s function). As a biblical counselor, where autism and/or developmental delays are the diagnosis, I would certainly not attribute the child&#8217;s/person&#8217;s difficulties to a rebellious heart.</p>
<p>Personally, I would refer the family to a specialist trained in techniques (techniques that I would also suggest are not at all at odds w/Scripture) that have been shown helpful for the one who is struggling. I may very well have a role to play in helping families in such cases, but the techniques for specific issues related to autism and developmental delays simply aren&#8217;t my lane and I&#8217;m fine with that. </p>
<p>(I&#8217;m also thinking of occupational therapy, which my own son required when he was very young. In his case, we trusted in the sovereignty of God over all of his life, and thanked Him for the physical help he received. As his motor skill delays were improved, the emotions/frustrations of his heart were relieved. I don&#8217;t think that any of that, in any way, undermined what I believe to be true when I hear the phrase &#8220;sufficiency of Scripture.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: David Murray</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/07/biblical-counseling-and-a-theology-of-scripture-2/#comment-49102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Murray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2016 09:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joshua, thank you for taking the time to comment and for your thoughtful and helpful words. Because of the cognitive nature of autism and developmental delay, I think you&#039;d find that most medical doctors would not see autism and developmental delay as &quot;biologically-driven medical issues.&quot; Rather, they would probably refer to psychologists who specialize in child development and special needs, some of whom do tremendous work with seemingly hopeless cases. But that&#039;s OK, your principle is the same for medical doctors and psychologists, I presume. 

I agree with your view of the sufficiency of Scripture, especially the way you apply it differently depending on the issue, but I think that puts both of us at odds with Heath&#039;s presentation of that doctrine, at least in parts of the book, where he speaks of Scripture being equally sufficient for doctrine and for life challenges like those above (p. 42), and also some of his statements in earlier parts of the book (eg. http://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/04/a-theology-of-biblical-counseling-some-questions/). 

Once again, thanks for the input, Joshua, and God bless your counseling ministry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua, thank you for taking the time to comment and for your thoughtful and helpful words. Because of the cognitive nature of autism and developmental delay, I think you&#8217;d find that most medical doctors would not see autism and developmental delay as &#8220;biologically-driven medical issues.&#8221; Rather, they would probably refer to psychologists who specialize in child development and special needs, some of whom do tremendous work with seemingly hopeless cases. But that&#8217;s OK, your principle is the same for medical doctors and psychologists, I presume. </p>
<p>I agree with your view of the sufficiency of Scripture, especially the way you apply it differently depending on the issue, but I think that puts both of us at odds with Heath&#8217;s presentation of that doctrine, at least in parts of the book, where he speaks of Scripture being equally sufficient for doctrine and for life challenges like those above (p. 42), and also some of his statements in earlier parts of the book (eg. <a href="http://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/04/a-theology-of-biblical-counseling-some-questions/" rel="nofollow">http://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/04/a-theology-of-biblical-counseling-some-questions/</a>). </p>
<p>Once again, thanks for the input, Joshua, and God bless your counseling ministry.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Waulk</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/07/biblical-counseling-and-a-theology-of-scripture-2/#comment-49099</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua Waulk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Murray: I appreciate your interaction w/Dr. Lambert&#039;s new book. I&#039;m attempting to read along w/you as best I can. For this particular post, and to your Q#10 in particular, I would note that each of the three issues you set forth as examples (autism, developmental delay, and BPD) are, where they are truly occurring, biologically-driven medical issues. That is, they would probably be best understood as having their origin in an organically driven process and therefore must be treated medically by medical doctors. 

While counseling of any type may be very helpful, I cannot imagine any present-day biblical counselor suggesting that counseling alone would be a sufficient course of action in these types of cases--helpful and perhaps as believers we might suggest necessary for the care and encouragement of the soul--but not sufficient in and of itself. In fact, I would suggest that the need for medical treatment in these types of cases flows out of a well-formed biblical worldview that understands the needs of both body and soul--and here, in these scenarios--we see the sufficiency of Scripture to gladly (responsibly) refer the person/family to a medical doctor and to gladly work with and assist in their care for those components which are non-physical.

This is commensurate with my training and education as an ACBC counselor and has been my practice of soul-care. I feel no tension or &quot;competition&quot; as it were between shepherding a person&#039;s heart (which the BPD sufferer surely needs as much as anyone), and seeing to it that they receive the bodily care which may be required from those professionals whose job it is to do just that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Murray: I appreciate your interaction w/Dr. Lambert&#8217;s new book. I&#8217;m attempting to read along w/you as best I can. For this particular post, and to your Q#10 in particular, I would note that each of the three issues you set forth as examples (autism, developmental delay, and BPD) are, where they are truly occurring, biologically-driven medical issues. That is, they would probably be best understood as having their origin in an organically driven process and therefore must be treated medically by medical doctors. </p>
<p>While counseling of any type may be very helpful, I cannot imagine any present-day biblical counselor suggesting that counseling alone would be a sufficient course of action in these types of cases&#8211;helpful and perhaps as believers we might suggest necessary for the care and encouragement of the soul&#8211;but not sufficient in and of itself. In fact, I would suggest that the need for medical treatment in these types of cases flows out of a well-formed biblical worldview that understands the needs of both body and soul&#8211;and here, in these scenarios&#8211;we see the sufficiency of Scripture to gladly (responsibly) refer the person/family to a medical doctor and to gladly work with and assist in their care for those components which are non-physical.</p>
<p>This is commensurate with my training and education as an ACBC counselor and has been my practice of soul-care. I feel no tension or &#8220;competition&#8221; as it were between shepherding a person&#8217;s heart (which the BPD sufferer surely needs as much as anyone), and seeing to it that they receive the bodily care which may be required from those professionals whose job it is to do just that.</p>
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