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		<title>By: Reformed “Spotlight”: What About The Victims? -IKTHUS.NET</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/20/reformed-spotlight-what-about-the-victims/#comment-49223</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2016 17:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] is Professor of Old Testament &amp; Practical Theology at Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary. This article first appeared on his blog, Head Heart Hand, and is used with [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] is Professor of Old Testament &amp; Practical Theology at Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary. This article first appeared on his blog, Head Heart Hand, and is used with [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Reformed “Spotlight”: What About The Victims?</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/20/reformed-spotlight-what-about-the-victims/#comment-49220</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reformed “Spotlight”: What About The Victims?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2016 04:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] is Professor of Old Testament &amp; Practical Theology at Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary. This article first appeared on his blog, Head Heart Hand, and is used with [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] is Professor of Old Testament &amp; Practical Theology at Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary. This article first appeared on his blog, Head Heart Hand, and is used with [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Meister</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/20/reformed-spotlight-what-about-the-victims/#comment-49210</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Meister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2016 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prof. Murray: Thank you for this post, necessary and on point, in my opinion. Though I have deeper questions about whether the way a &quot;church&quot; (quotes, intended) like Journey is structured is really the entire problem. It seems evident by calling an online interface and some videos &quot;support&quot; - isn&#039;t that really indicative of the whole problem? 

Does not the media-saturated, multi-site, mega-church simply create these failures? And do not most of the sins of which their &quot;pastor&quot; (again, intentional) was guilty grow by (sinful) nature in the climate of distance, isolation, and celebrity that is created by such media? I&#039;m guessing that most people at Journey knew their &quot;pastor&quot; as well as they know the men in the videos on their support page?

In other words, at what point do we say that this broken (really, nonexistent) ecclesiology that distances people from one another, but offers an illusory community, fellowship and pastoral care, is what creates these situations - and it will continue unabated until it&#039;s repented of. Maybe I&#039;m suggesting that all the culprits take responsibility, not just the disgraced &quot;pastors,&quot; but those who propagate, feed, and support this approach and call it &quot;church&quot;? I guess that would include even those men offering &quot;support&quot; via video - is the blood not on their hands, too?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. Murray: Thank you for this post, necessary and on point, in my opinion. Though I have deeper questions about whether the way a &#8220;church&#8221; (quotes, intended) like Journey is structured is really the entire problem. It seems evident by calling an online interface and some videos &#8220;support&#8221; &#8211; isn&#8217;t that really indicative of the whole problem? </p>
<p>Does not the media-saturated, multi-site, mega-church simply create these failures? And do not most of the sins of which their &#8220;pastor&#8221; (again, intentional) was guilty grow by (sinful) nature in the climate of distance, isolation, and celebrity that is created by such media? I&#8217;m guessing that most people at Journey knew their &#8220;pastor&#8221; as well as they know the men in the videos on their support page?</p>
<p>In other words, at what point do we say that this broken (really, nonexistent) ecclesiology that distances people from one another, but offers an illusory community, fellowship and pastoral care, is what creates these situations &#8211; and it will continue unabated until it&#8217;s repented of. Maybe I&#8217;m suggesting that all the culprits take responsibility, not just the disgraced &#8220;pastors,&#8221; but those who propagate, feed, and support this approach and call it &#8220;church&#8221;? I guess that would include even those men offering &#8220;support&#8221; via video &#8211; is the blood not on their hands, too?</p>
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		<title>By: agapecounselor</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/20/reformed-spotlight-what-about-the-victims/#comment-49207</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[agapecounselor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2016 23:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much for this post David. I am so encouraged that someone with a voice that reaches as far as yours has drawn attention to the very real needs of those who need care in recovering from sinful pastors and/or churches where the grace given by Jesus to His people through the cross (see e.g. Romans 7 &amp; 8; Eph. 2:1-10; Gal. 2:20, 6:14) has not been a meaningful part of their experience. Also, thank you very much for your excellent book, &quot;Christians Get Depressed Too.&quot; I and those I counsel have been so blessed by it. Your video is also a great blessing. I include Spurgeon&#039;s Lecture XI as part of the reading I have for everyone struggling with depression and dark nights of the soul. In fact, I have a copy-right free version of the entire book on my website for anyone who would like to download it, along with Dr. Ronald Enroth&#039;s book, &quot;Recovering from Churches that Abuse.&quot; Dr. Enroth gave me written permission to turn it into an eBook and distribute it free of charge. Both are available here: http://www.agapecounselors.com/free-stuff.html. No sign-up is required. Again, thank you for all you do and God bless you, David]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this post David. I am so encouraged that someone with a voice that reaches as far as yours has drawn attention to the very real needs of those who need care in recovering from sinful pastors and/or churches where the grace given by Jesus to His people through the cross (see e.g. Romans 7 &amp; 8; Eph. 2:1-10; Gal. 2:20, 6:14) has not been a meaningful part of their experience. Also, thank you very much for your excellent book, &#8220;Christians Get Depressed Too.&#8221; I and those I counsel have been so blessed by it. Your video is also a great blessing. I include Spurgeon&#8217;s Lecture XI as part of the reading I have for everyone struggling with depression and dark nights of the soul. In fact, I have a copy-right free version of the entire book on my website for anyone who would like to download it, along with Dr. Ronald Enroth&#8217;s book, &#8220;Recovering from Churches that Abuse.&#8221; Dr. Enroth gave me written permission to turn it into an eBook and distribute it free of charge. Both are available here: <a href="http://www.agapecounselors.com/free-stuff.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.agapecounselors.com/free-stuff.html</a>. No sign-up is required. Again, thank you for all you do and God bless you, David</p>
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		<title>By: Rickie Gay</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/20/reformed-spotlight-what-about-the-victims/#comment-49205</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rickie Gay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is refreshing to see someone addressing justice for victims within Reformed churches.  I am a survivor of pastoral abuse in the PCA church.  Not only was I a member of the congregation, I was also the Ministry Assistant at my church.  The church called in PastorServe to help navigate through this difficult time.  While this seemed like a good thing in the beginning, it became clear that they wanted to move quickly to counseling me and my husband on marriage, rather than address that what happened to me was abuse.  While the session acknowledged that what happened to me was abuse, they looked at the sexual aspect as &quot;adultery&quot; for which they exercised church discipline.  They believed I chose, or had a percentage of blame that I needed to own.  Culpability was the term they used.  Coercion was a word they did NOT agree with.  A Scripture they applied to my situation was 2 Timothy 3:6-7 &quot;They are the kind who work their way into people’s homes and win the confidence of[a] vulnerable women who are burdened with the guilt of sin and controlled by various desires. 7 (Such women are forever following new teachings, but they are never able to understand the truth.) &quot;  For one year I was unable to sing on the worship team or serve in any aspect of the church.  I also had to step
away from my job at the church.  They paid my salary for one year but at
that end of the year they felt it was best that I didn&#039;t return to my
job.

Thank you for shining God&#039;s truth in the dark places the church wants to remain hidden.  From a bleeding sheep whose wounds are slow to heal but I know God, in His sweet mercy, is able!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is refreshing to see someone addressing justice for victims within Reformed churches.  I am a survivor of pastoral abuse in the PCA church.  Not only was I a member of the congregation, I was also the Ministry Assistant at my church.  The church called in PastorServe to help navigate through this difficult time.  While this seemed like a good thing in the beginning, it became clear that they wanted to move quickly to counseling me and my husband on marriage, rather than address that what happened to me was abuse.  While the session acknowledged that what happened to me was abuse, they looked at the sexual aspect as &#8220;adultery&#8221; for which they exercised church discipline.  They believed I chose, or had a percentage of blame that I needed to own.  Culpability was the term they used.  Coercion was a word they did NOT agree with.  A Scripture they applied to my situation was 2 Timothy 3:6-7 &#8220;They are the kind who work their way into people’s homes and win the confidence of[a] vulnerable women who are burdened with the guilt of sin and controlled by various desires. 7 (Such women are forever following new teachings, but they are never able to understand the truth.) &#8221;  For one year I was unable to sing on the worship team or serve in any aspect of the church.  I also had to step<br />
away from my job at the church.  They paid my salary for one year but at<br />
that end of the year they felt it was best that I didn&#8217;t return to my<br />
job.</p>
<p>Thank you for shining God&#8217;s truth in the dark places the church wants to remain hidden.  From a bleeding sheep whose wounds are slow to heal but I know God, in His sweet mercy, is able!</p>
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		<title>By: Barnabas</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/20/reformed-spotlight-what-about-the-victims/#comment-49203</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barnabas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand. These things happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand. These things happen.</p>
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		<title>By: David Murray</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/20/reformed-spotlight-what-about-the-victims/#comment-49202</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Murray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2016 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, Barnabas. I mistakenly included in my Disqus count three of your comments on other blogs including this one supporting wife-spanking 
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/dougwils/blog_mablog_82/#comment-2627072847]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, Barnabas. I mistakenly included in my Disqus count three of your comments on other blogs including this one supporting wife-spanking<br />
<a href="https://disqus.com/home/discussion/dougwils/blog_mablog_82/#comment-2627072847" rel="nofollow">https://disqus.com/home/discussion/dougwils/blog_mablog_82/#comment-2627072847</a></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Ramsey</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/20/reformed-spotlight-what-about-the-victims/#comment-49196</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Ramsey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2016 12:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not sure if you are planning on doing this but it might be helpful to provide an actual case of spiritual abuse and how a counselor might respond to that particular case.  Names of course would be changed.  But a concrete example would be beneficial in a number of ways.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if you are planning on doing this but it might be helpful to provide an actual case of spiritual abuse and how a counselor might respond to that particular case.  Names of course would be changed.  But a concrete example would be beneficial in a number of ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Barnabas</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/20/reformed-spotlight-what-about-the-victims/#comment-49195</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barnabas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2016 11:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll try not to use up all your pixils in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll try not to use up all your pixils in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: David Murray</title>
		<link>https://headhearthand.org/blog/2016/04/20/reformed-spotlight-what-about-the-victims/#comment-49194</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Murray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2016 11:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Barnabas, you&#039;ve commented now about 15 times on four articles, most of them critical and lacking any constructive solutions. I don&#039;t mind critique and I don&#039;t want to stop you commenting, but I&#039;m asking you to consider two things. First, would you limit yourself to one comment per article as is the norm for most people? Second, would you consider being more constructive in order to make the debate more beneficial? If you would do the latter, the former would not be so necessary to ask. I&#039;m trying to be reasonable here, trying to find a balance between allowing comment and not allowing dominance by someone who does not seem to have much helpful to say. Try to imagine yourself in a public meeting where someone is speaking four or five times as much as anyone else. Any reasonable moderator would object to that, especially if the comments were only critical. It not only pushes out other voices but also discourages others from speaking. And if you feel you must speak so much, and If you really feel strongly, why not set up your own blog and make your case that way?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Barnabas, you&#8217;ve commented now about 15 times on four articles, most of them critical and lacking any constructive solutions. I don&#8217;t mind critique and I don&#8217;t want to stop you commenting, but I&#8217;m asking you to consider two things. First, would you limit yourself to one comment per article as is the norm for most people? Second, would you consider being more constructive in order to make the debate more beneficial? If you would do the latter, the former would not be so necessary to ask. I&#8217;m trying to be reasonable here, trying to find a balance between allowing comment and not allowing dominance by someone who does not seem to have much helpful to say. Try to imagine yourself in a public meeting where someone is speaking four or five times as much as anyone else. Any reasonable moderator would object to that, especially if the comments were only critical. It not only pushes out other voices but also discourages others from speaking. And if you feel you must speak so much, and If you really feel strongly, why not set up your own blog and make your case that way?</p>
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