Comments on: Do we need more than the Bible for Biblical Counseling?

By: A Friendly Dialogue on the Sufficiency of Scripture - The Aquila Report

A Friendly Dialogue on the Sufficiency of Scripture - The Aquila Report — Wed, 01 Nov 2017 04:01:40 +0000

[…] clarify and advance the conversation. The conversation began when Sean responded to my article Do We Need More than the Bible for Biblical Counseling? My responses to Sean are in […]

By: Robert Zeurunkl

Robert Zeurunkl — Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:58:00 +0000

People who say they need to know Greek and Hebrew, and cultural aspects, and prevalent heresies, and such, are ignoring the fact that our (legitimate) English bible translations are translated by entire TEAMS of men (and women) who have done exactly that. They are men and women who already ARE established scholars in all those fields, and are generally more qualified to speak to these issues than the lone pastor and his two semesters of Greek while in Seminary. To such men (as this pastor in this article), we are to take the biblical knowledge of DOZENS of highly skilled and trained linguists who have devoted decades of time to the study of their language specialty, and discard it in favour of the personal revelation of this one lone pastor.

By: Biblical Preaching and Biblical Counseling: What Makes Them “Biblical”? | Truth2Freedom's Blog

Sun, 29 Oct 2017 17:24:27 +0000

[…] my post was going “live,” I noticed that David also has a more recent post on this topic: Do We Need More Than the Bible for Biblical Counseling? I think his argument in this more recent post is similar to the analogy David used in his 2012 TGC […]

By: Bob Kellemen

Bob Kellemen — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:54:00 +0000

While I wrote the following post (Biblical Preaching and Biblical Counseling: What Makes Them “Biblical”?: http://bit.ly/BibleCn2017 ) in response to TGC’s re-post of your 2012 post, David, I think it still provides a fair interaction with your current post. I thought that you and your readers might benefit from my attempts to clarify the central concern that biblical counselors have: the worldview of secular psychology and philosophy. Again, here’s the link and title: Biblical Preaching and Biblical Counseling: What Makes Them “Biblical”?: http://bit.ly/BibleCn2017

By: Biblical Preaching and Biblical Counseling: What Makes Them “Biblical”?

Biblical Preaching and Biblical Counseling: What Makes Them “Biblical”? — Thu, 26 Oct 2017 15:41:57 +0000

[…] As my post was going “live,” I noticed that David also has a more recent post on this topic: Do We Need More Than the Bible for Biblical Counseling? I think his argument in this more recent post is similar to the analogy David used in his 2012 TGC […]

By: Sean Perron

Sean Perron — Wed, 25 Oct 2017 18:49:00 +0000

David, I think that would be great. Thanks brother. I’ll be glad to point people to it as well. I was praying for you and your ministry last night and I’m thankful to discuss this. Just let me know if you need anything else from me.

By: David Murray

David Murray — Wed, 25 Oct 2017 18:44:00 +0000

Sean, would you mind if I posted our dialogue as a blog post. I think people would benefit from seeing our interaction – both its contents and spirit. The Jay Adams quote would also be a valuable contribution.

By: Dana Kerns

Dana Kerns — Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:45:00 +0000

Roy Kerns comments: John Frame’s “Doctrine of the Knowledge of God” provides absolutely outstanding thinking thru how one committed to the finality of biblical authority may and *must* involve data from sources other than the Bible. Those working in counseling (especially those unhappy with Jay Adams’ work) would do very well to read both John and Jay (including John’s critique of Jay) before rejecting Jay.

By: Sean Perron

Sean Perron — Wed, 25 Oct 2017 13:13:00 +0000

I think we are closer now than we we started!

It seems the difference is I wouldn’t call “hard” science a source of wisdom. Rather, it presents observations and data that need to be interpreted and science cannot provide wisdom on interventions for solutions.

And likewise if you are ever in the Sunshine state. Sounds good! Now that I live in Florida, I try to stay away from the cold, but I look forward to connecting. Thanks David

By: David Murray

David Murray — Wed, 25 Oct 2017 12:16:00 +0000

Sean, that’s another good example of the “integration” we’ve been discussing. I hadn’t thought of that one before even though it’s certainly one that my wife and I have wrestled through with the help of Scripture and science.

I agree with you that in this case the Scriptures are a necessary source of wisdom. But, in our case, we found that scientific data was also a necessary source of wisdom in helping us decide whether to use birth control and, if so, what one. For example, my wife is a medical doctor and without her medical knowledge I would never have known that certain contraceptive pills and devices prevent implantation of fertilized cells. That scientific knowledge helped us decide that whatever we did, we could never use these means if we wanted to be consistent with Scripture. In this case science was also a source of wisdom that we needed for life and godliness. Sadly, I know many faithful Christians do use these means, only because they don’t know the science. They are not glorifying God because they lack the wisdom that science gives.

If you’re ever up in Grand Rapids, give me a shout, and we can hopefully continue to discuss these matters face to face.